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Hi, this is Erin, Jeff and Debbie's middle daughter. How did your parents choose your name?

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Well, that's simple. I have no idea.

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As far as I know, there's no Jeffries in either side, as Kelly will know because she's done the lineage, but I have no idea.

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My middle name was White, which was my mom's maiden name. Now my little brother, his name is Timms, and on the mom's side, the White side, going back to England, not on the Fred Stanley White side, but on the Nino Lauterbach White side, there's a guy named Jimmy Timms in England.

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We got pictures of Jimmy in the archives. So that's all I know.

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Those were different back then. I think they just looked at what was popular.

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Believe it or not, Debbie was a popular name in 1953. However, they originally going to name me Sandra, but then they went, "Oh, Sandy Hill." That would be kind of weird.

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So they changed it to Deborah, the D-E-B-O-R-A-H spelling, and then shortened with Debbie, which we all know is with the Y, which is very different.

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And then they gave me a family name of Lee, and that was my mother's middle name, and that was her grandfather's middle name.

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And so I think that's what, and it's spelled L-E-E. So that's the only thing we really know.

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It was not as an elaborate process as perhaps today is. Yeah.

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I don't think they had books of names. They didn't have Google top 50 names.

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No. They didn't have that.

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So it was kind of either lineage or we just liked the sound of it. Yeah.

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Please tell us the stories of your births. Well, I guess my birth has a lot of big points to it.

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I was born a little early in December of 1953, December 1st. I was born at St. Luke's Hospital in Denver, and immediately they knew something was wrong.

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Turns out it was the R-H negative factor. And so the pediatrician caught this, and he said to my dad, "We need to do a complete blood exchange for this." And so he typed my dad, and my dad's blood was going to work.

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So they gave me a complete blood exchange. They could tell that it was not going to be successful.

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And so the pediatrician then said to my dad, "Well, we could just let her go, which could be meaning I could either die.

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I could become some sort of disability." He said, "Or let's get you and get you over to Children's Hospital," which was up until recent years, right next door to St. Luke's in downtown Denver.

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And we'll get another match. So my dad got an orange crate from the kitchen, put me in a little, literally a wood orange crate box, got me in a taxi cab.

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Put you in some blankets. Well, yes, I had some blankets too.

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You weren't laying on it. But it wasn't like we had a NICU where you could have all the wires and things to help me keep breathing, and quickly got across the street to Children's Hospital and got another donor and did a blood exchange.

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And I believe I was in the hospital for about two weeks. Again, they didn't call it a neonatal intensive care unit back then.

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It was just something and then came home. And you can see little birth records.

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I have those little tags or sheets from the doctor that I was eating meat at three and four weeks old because they needed to kind of build up my system.

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So that's the story of my birth. And I'm again, I think there's that touching point with my dad.

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My mom really wasn't in on the decision because births were very different back then. And he had to solely make that decision.

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It was very touching. Yeah.

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And just can I have a little science here? Yes, you can absolutely say that the reasonings.

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I know you like to. Well, I do because your blood type was based off your father.

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He was O positive. Your mother was some AB negative or something.

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She was O. O negative.

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And so when you were born, when the placenta separates, there's an exchange and you picked up a bunch of your mother's blood and was immediately breaking down your red blood cells.

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And so they did use my recollection from your dad is they tried. I don't think they even transfused you at St. Luke's.

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You went over to children's and they did it there and they did use your dad because you were his type and you cross matched.

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They could do cross matching then because of all the stuff. I remember him telling me that there were two exchanges.

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But yeah, they may have just transfused your dad twice because you were. You were an itty little six pound baby and your dad was a two hundred and ten pound dude.

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So he could give up a bunch of pints. But it's still a really interesting story.

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And the orange crate's interesting, but it wasn't like you were just a naked mole rat and an orange crate.

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Although Bridget would like that naked mole rat. I know.

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Okay. And you?

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Me? Well, Amon will we're living in Evanston, Wyoming and dad was out exploring for petroleum all through Southwest Wyoming a little bit into Utah.

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And he was out in the field a lot. But I believe he got home in time for the birth and was a little bitty little bitty hospital in Evanston.

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And I was born and it was May. The choke cherries were going crazy.

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And so he brought my mom a big bouquet of choke cherries. And you know, our moms both smoked at those days.

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Everybody smoked. So neither one of us was a big whopper like they have, you know, everybody has now.

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But the legend of Evanston Hospital was the nurses all thought I had nice ears. So that's all I remember.

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Not nearly as colorful. What's your first memory?

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Whoa, golly, you're you're tasking our brains here first memory. I don't know if it's my first memory, but it actually was at my grandmother Gladys Hills house in her front yard.

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And we all had gone over there the whole family, my brothers Dave, Brad, my mom and dad were climbing in her tree.

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And all of a sudden my dad comes out and he uncovers something from a blanket and it was a little puppy dog.

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And it was a little beagle puppy dog. And oh my gosh, we were so excited.

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And I was probably three, four, maybe three, I think three. And here's this just little bundle tri-colored puppy dog.

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And we were overjoyed with him. I mean, Aaron, it's kind of like how you wanted to just maul and hug those little babies.

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We were doing that with that little puppy dog. So I'd say that's really one of my very earliest memories.

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So my early memory is probably, I was like two and a half, maybe pushing towards three. And we lived in Evanston and dad was gone a lot.

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But I had a coon skin cap, listened to Davy Crockett on my little record player, probably got that from the carousels.

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And I had a side by side, quirk gun, double barreled shotgun. And I would go out in the sagebrush behind our house and I would cock it, stick it in the dirt, get dirt plugs in the barrels, and then I would go hunting for whatever I was hunting for.

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And then I would shoot him. But I distinctly remember too, I had all these little singles, little 45s on this red record player.

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And I had Davy Crockett's song, and Yellow Rosa Texas, and all these little songs that I could sing.

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And I have early memories of my dad teaching me dinosaur names when I was very little talker.

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So that's kind of the earliest tell kindergarten or so. Did you have a nickname growing up?

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What was the origin of your nickname and who calls you by this name? My nickname really didn't happen until high school.

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And so I went to George Washington, which was the Patriots. And I kind of got this nickname, the Jolly Green Giant.

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I was tall and we had Patriots were green. So it really wasn't used that often.

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But I guess if I had one, that would have been the nickname. Although your dad in college used to call me Big Red.

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That was his nickname that he gave me. Probably really our freshman, a little longer than that.

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But no, I didn't have any other nickname like that. Nothing when I was little.

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We didn't have names like Ebes and low burrito and Cal Bell or any of that stuff. Yeah, I didn't have any nick names either.

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Really, the only person that ever didn't call me Jeff or Jeffrey was Uncle Jim Caras. He called me Jeffer.

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I have no idea why. But no, no nick names.

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My brother didn't have any nick names. He was Timmy or Tins.

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But yeah, no nick names. Yeah.

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And the only person that called me Deborah was my dad. And when he called me Deborah, I listened.

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I thought, uh-oh. But otherwise, I was always Debbie to my family. I've never been a Deb.

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Deb, I don't know who's Deb. So it's just always been Debbie.

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